Sunday, 17 August 2014

Some Notes on the Forthcoming Spin Trials of the HJT 36 - Part 2

In the first part of this series we had published an analysis as to what is the possible areas of problems with the HJT 36 which has been withering on the vine since a spectacular launch in 2003. There have been some reader’s responses and since they raise important points or suggestions I thought I would put in part 2 as a conclusion.

Before I go on to the Technical portion I have a bone to pick with Indranil Roy because he has touched upon a very important point. He said, whilst agreeing with my prognosis, that (and I am quoting from memory) “what Professor Das has said is actually what  is taught in Second and Third year Aerodynamics” How I wish this were true! No! Indranil, very unfortunately this is not what the Second and Third years learn.

What they learn in Second and a Third year is this:

-T = Iθ+ KAθ́́

They will learn why there is a negative sign on the LHS and how to solve the equation by “substitute tan θ by R” and whilst the teacher will do several blackboards of derivation to obtain the equation (which is in the book in any case!) he will be unable to explain that what the equation means is “this” - this being what I have written in the earlier part. Harsh? Those of you who have done IC engines will remember the painstaking derivation of the Thermal efficiency formula of IC engine but no teacher discusses the physical phenomena and the co-relation behind Thermal efficiency and compression ratio. Any wonder we then have overweight engines?

The portmanteau explanation is “lack of time and vast course” but someone who wastes time will never have enough of it. In trying to teach everything our Institutions finally teach nothing. Unlike the Germans- who introduced the Sciences based Engineering in Prussia in the 1880s with great emphasis on the Physics of things -“Technische Mechanik” - we have replaced the Physics with Mathematics and preen ourselves on “Science based Engineering! Back in Berlin or was it Potsdam – one had to have “real” Industrial experience to be considered a Professor. Kurt Waldemar Tank , an electrical Engineer by the way, was Professor Tank.

Let us revert:

In the earlier part we put forward the hypothesis that there are three problems:

1. Engine flame out at the spin
2. Possible difficulty/delay in spin recovery due to suboptimal location of the tailplane.
3. Wing drop at the stall.

If the above hypothesis is true we now have to test the hypothesis and recommend a possible course of correction. Let us start with the easiest one first.

Wing Drop Correction

First we have to test the hypothesis that lack of “washout” and not say the engine gyroscopic moment due to sharp pull up at the stall is indeed the cause of the wing drop. This means “wool tufting” the prototype and exploring the airflow separation behavior at the tip as stall approaches. CFD and wind tunnel testing can follow if it is possible to organize quickly. The appropriate “washout” has to be introduced.

The simplest is to introduce some kind of a turbulator or a vortex generator. You must have seen them on the Boeing 737. The Brazilian AMX also has prominent vortex generator on the outer span. Did they have a similar problem?

Here I must mention a very interesting solution proposed by Mr. Mukut Pathak who suggested a “dog tooth”. If we overlook the terminological inexactitude” (A dog tooth is a local extension of the leading edge used in swept wings to break up the span wise flows) the suggestion is very good and I have improved on it. Instead of the local slat as MR has suggested I would use a “banana wing” i.e. a wing where the local L.E. sweep near the outer semi span is reduced. That way you increase the aerodynamic “washout” as also it is a good way to introduce the conical camber to solve the problem. The sketch at the end of this note clarifies the idea. Instead of plunging into massive redesign and tooling it may be just possible to prepare a new leading edge in wood (teak,  if spruce is not available) as on the lines shown hack off the existing leading edge at the appropriate location and attach the wooden L.E. segment to the existing wing with suitable brackets and bolts. The expected loss in performance will be negligible. The loss in the lift will be insignificant as towards the tips the wing will not be producing so much lift (elliptical lift distribution) and the drag will be not too much. An excellent solution possibility.

Wooden bits on a jet aircraft?! Now! Who has heard of that? Well the Canberra-larger and faster than the Sitara had a wooden fin and rudder! The story goes that to get the aerodynamic balance of the rudder right W.E.W Peter’s people would shave away at the profile until the control Harmonization felt good. Prototype aircraft are like musical instrument - they love being “tuned” and then what music they make!

Tail Plane Location

Many have suggested the cruciform tail-I presume like the MiG 15/17. This is indeed the simplest engineering solution though one would have to put in an “acorn” fairing a la Hawker Seahawk because at the junction the airstream separates into four parts and that did cause severe vibrations until “fixed”. Also the fin will require stiffening (thicker gauge fin skins will probably do). At the end of it all because the HJT 36 is short coupled like the MiG 15 and the cruciform tail will blank out a fair portion of the fin the spin recovery will still be a “white knuckles “affair. I have seen films of MiG 15 (at a presentation by the legendary Rostislav A Belyakov no less!) spinning and recovering but the problem was known to exist. No, I think I would like to go for the full treatment as I have in mind of lowering the datum of the Tail plane and pushing it back as far as possible - and if that does not work then we may be looking at anhedral on the stabilizer to get it out of the wake. That can be done in six months if we get a move on. If we don’t, it will take forever. 

Inlet Location and Engine Flame Out

The more one thinks about it the more one suspects the inlet position. I can imagine that in a fully developed spin the inlet will be “behind” the wake being shed by the thick (NACA 23015?) wing. One hopes we have data as to at what point of the spin the engine flamed out? This would be crucial to the reconstruction of the problem and rectification. Crashes during the development of an aircraft are quite acceptable but it is criminal treason if the relevant data is not available because “someone” did not “think”. I mention this because I have found we sometimes do tests without sufficient planning and foresight of what we may want.

Assuming that the prognosis IS right then we have to increase the length of the inlet until it is out into the “clear” air. Whilst CFD/wool tuft studies will no doubt be made perhaps the quickest solution would be to “jury rig” a new extended lip inserts over the existing one and do confirmatory tests. This is not alarming as it sounds because most of the tests will be done at speed of around 100-120 kts and at 2000-3000 mts the dynamic pressure will be still lower. The point is not to waste time fiddling around trying to get the best pressure recovery or whatever. It is sufficient that the rig up shows that the extended intake works and the engine does not flame out. IF that works then the solution is to refine the design and standardize the extended lip for the first batch because the best solution, the intake lowered to the level of the wing L.E will be a bit of a job and delay things too much. What HAL can promise is that if the IAF will accept the first lot with the extended lip- it will curtail the downward view somewhat for the rear cockpit- then HAL will remanufacture the fuselage to the final configuration when it comes back for its 1000 hour overhaul or whatever is the set period.

Reader Gupta has demanded as to why this happened in the first place? This is a very relevant question. One reason, though obviously not the only one, is the element of passion. It is my view that vehicle design involves more than the basic knowledge. It requires passion. Companies such as Ferrari or Porsche or AVL are not large companies nor are they financially powerful. Yet the Giants of the Automobile Industry speak of them in whispers. As a Nation our Aeronautical men know less about Aeroplanes than our Footballers know about football. If you look at the AMCA in its last public Avatar you might agree with me.

The second is a lack of conviction of one’s own decisions. Redesign is onerous but if one is sure it will work it becomes a mission. In the Government this spirit is significantly lacking because everyone is on drip feed. Why do anything non routine? You will only be blamed if things go wrong. So don’t move away from the Glucose bottle. In the private sector –where people are arguably less qualified- the very question of survival- spurs people on to try alternatives. Assuming they are not morons they then very quickly arrive at some “effective” solution.

These are my views based so far away in Kolkata.

16 August 2014


15 comments:

  1. I had written to HAL suggesting a platypus kind of nose, strong anhedral for horizontal tail to ensure that it comes out of wing wake at stall alpha and even with an increase in alpha, the fin and horizontal tail will stay clear of wing wake. I also suggested dogtooth and lowering of intakes to upper wingline with a backward and outward sweep of intake lips like that of HF-24 to ensure smooth airflow to engine at high alpha and strong yaw forces. If we carefully study the design of Hawk-100, we will find that they too probably experienced similar problems and tweaked the design by inserting boundary layer fence, anhedral to horizontal tail and intakes touching the upper wing. While hawk has a comparatively smaller fin, The HJT-36 fin should be able to provide much higher control at much higher alpha as it is built more like the Yak-130 fin.
    IMHO we should not use dogtooth as suggested by you and instead use it in reverse manner to droop the tips and increase sweepback at tips as that will not only help lower the alpha of wingtips but also increase the stall alpha of tips compared to rest of the wing (higher sweep=higher stall alpha) ensuring a far superior stall behaviour.

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    1. If we can't resolve the problem of spin with a/m fixes, that would mean that the problem lies with the engine. Either it has too strong gyroscopic effect or is inherently prone to flameouts. I will be least surprised if Russians themselves supplied this faulty engine to ensure that India opts for Mig-AT. Even that aircraft uses Lazrac engines. God only knows why we opted for this third rate engine from russia.

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  2. While the wing drop appears to have been arrested with mid chord fences, spin seems to be the challenge as of now. And, as your simple illustration suggests, Tail-wing geometry, in addition to the control stretch issue discovered by HAL, may possibly be the reason for non-recovery from spin during the crash. With not much help coming from our designers, the Hawk guys are being paid to put together the aerodynamics for predicting spin behaviour.
    I presume, the probability of a jet engine flameout during a fully developed spin or a flat spin is a reality. In case the engine flamed-out during the only time it spun (ie, when it crashed)… it may not be representative enough to suspect the engine or its intake design.
    Professor, you have hit the nail on the head. Our 'drip fed' aeronautical men are yet to grow enough to experiment with drastic changes in airplane planform. Wing re-design, tail re-design, inlet re-design etc, as of now, must be beyond consideration for HAL for obvious reasons.
    The challenge right now must be to do the best with the current design.

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  3. sandy
    Thanks
    One would need to look at the crash data to answer your point more specifically.
    Regarding engine behaviour in a spin the HJT 16 seems to have no issues on that.

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  4. Sandy,

    Are you sure that the fences were accepted as the solution. The latest pictures I saw (from Ajai Shukla) shows the wing fences are gone (along with the nasal strakes) and replaced by vortex generators on the outer side of the wings. Interestingly, they also have the spin-chutes attached. I wonder about the current status of testing.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v-DjO9nVQuo/UrHdlJK9w_I/AAAAAAAAEfQ/stALR4ShD34/s1600/IJT+1.jpg

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jz-QSRw_Ft4/UrHdlzPk2yI/AAAAAAAAEfU/FDcjsW0MEJ0/s1600/IJT+2.jpg


    @Prof,
    You might like this. Have they finally bit the bullet? We will know soon. And I really hope IAF stands by them if they have shown the necessary courage.
    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/iaf-hal-jet-trainer-ijt-sitara-bae-systems/1/398599.html

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  5. Prof,

    Have you seen the IJT-36 mock-up at HAL museum? Wonder at what point of time they made the change of design to the current config!

    http://admirableindia.com/wp-content/images/karnataka/DSCN6289.jpg

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/HAL_HJT-36_Sitara_at_HAL_Museum_7673.JPG/640px-HAL_HJT-36_Sitara_at_HAL_Museum_7673.JPG

    Probably, this model would not have had the intake and tailplane problems as the current config has. Also, it is much easier on my eyes :-).

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    1. Indranil
      Will you pl. find out when this mock up was put in the Museum?
      Yes you are absolutely right this would have done the trick in all respects and it is a big black mark if they had this as a mock up because it would show that they did not know when they were on to a good thing.I am also a bit intrigued by what appears to be full span "flaperons".Having said that I must comment on the shoddy "jerry built" quality of the mock up. Which customer would buy the idea that HAL is a world class company if this is the quality is like this.In fact making a"pucca" mock up could make the day for a group of young engineers.
      In one of the AeroIndias I was invited to see the Hawk AJT mock up. Being "non official" I was hesitating at the barrier when the gentleman in charge let me in saying he had put the barrier to keep the small boys out. A lie but what a nice one.He and I crawled all over and around the mock up and I would say that except for the small of JP-1 it was very very convincing. That should be our standard.

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  6. Indranil
    Will you pl. find out when this mock up was put in the Museum?
    Yes you are absolutely right this would have done the trick in all respects and it is a big black mark if they had this as a mock up because it would show that they did not know when they were on to a good thing.I am also a bit intrigued by what appears to be full span "flaperons".Having said that I must comment on the shoddy "jerry built" quality of the mock up. Which customer would buy the idea that HAL is a world class company if this is the quality is like this.In fact making a"pucca" mock up could make the day for a group of young engineers.
    In one of the AeroIndias I was invited to see the Hawk AJT mock up. Being "non official" I was hesitating at the barrier when the gentleman in charge let me in saying he had put the barrier to keep the small boys out. A lie but what a nice one.He and I crawled all over and around the mock up and I would say that except for the small of JP-1 it was very very convincing. That should be our standard.

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    2. They were not flaperons, you can see them more clearly here:

      https://funderfulworld.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/dsc01692.jpg

      http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-W8ER41x5yVo/UWk0zDBUygI/AAAAAAAAS00/KQS1diJkgE4/s640/IMG_3010.jpg

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    3. Don't know if this is the same one, but a similar mockup was displayed in Aero India 1998.

      http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/images/HJT-36b.jpg

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  8. I was reading a paper called: Hawk to Goshawk. Navalizing a Land-based Trainer Aircraft

    1. The high rate of onset of stall and the subsequent high rate wing-drop were known problems on the land-based Hawks. Acceptable mitigation was achieved through addition of a wing fence and two breaker strips on the leading edge. But with the weight gain in the navalized version, these were not enough. So they deleted those modifications and added a full length slat which had to be accompanied with modified wingtips. Vortex generators were added to the outboard part of the wing to delay/remove the chance of tip-stall.

    2. With full flaps, the horizontal stab was completely stalled and the plane was not recoverable from a flat spin. Because the stab was all-moving, they could not add the traditional anti-stall strakes at the base of the stabs. Instead they added a fixed strake, called SMURF, just ahead and below the horizontal stab. This acts like a canard when the stab is deflected downwards. The span of the elevator was also increased slightly and the play was restricted to -15 degrees from the original -17 degrees. These modifications along with some modifications to the flaps solved the problem. (Interstingly, the antispin strakes were also introduced on the heavier Tiger Moths modified to carry underbelly bombs) .

    I wonder how many of these would work on the IJT as well.
    1. The ongoing weight loss program would help. But how much weight can be shaved off (I think they are trying to shave off 300-400 kgs) remains to be seen. Also, they don't have time on their side.
    2. The IJT wing is more amenable to a full length slat than the Hawk. The vortex generators can be added to the outboard section (they already are on some LSPs). The obvious alternative is to increase the wingspan without changing the taper ratio and/or adding a few more degrees to the twist.
    3. Anti spin-strakes can be tried on the horizontal/vertical stabs. Who knows?

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